IN SEARCH OF…….

DIVERSITY

We are enlisting the help of all who read this web site and/or subscribe to Pedlines in helping us to build a database that visitors to the site can access.

The name of the game is diversity.

By this, we mean that we want the names, locations, stud fees, contact numbers and any other information you may have (good photos are welcome) of sires who are NOT tail-male to any Northern Dancer line or any Raise a Native line.  This does not mean those horses already listed in the one of the two main (Blood Horse or Thoroughbred Times) stallion books.  Anybody can find those horses.

We are looking to compile a database of regional or unlisted/unadvertised sires from the Fairway; *Herbager/Son-In-Law; Teddy/Damascus; *Pharamond/Buckpasser; Red God/*Nasrullah, Hyperion, *Princequillo, etc. etc. lines.  Don’t send us names and locations of horses who are anything but tail-male to these horses.  That means direct descent in male line only.  If they are devoid of Raise a Native and Northern Dancer, all the better – in fact, we prefer that they be devoid of Raise a Native unless the line comes via Fappiano.

We stress that this amounts to free advertising for these horses, so if you know of a regional breeder with such a sire, tell him to contact us.  The breed is in dire need of diverse bloodlines as it has reached critical mass with the saturation of Northern Dancer and Raise a Native blood.

History tells us that when this happens, those sire lines tend to die out, but due to shuttle sires and huge books, the breed has very few places to go, and so it is imploding and becoming less sound with each successive generation.  Thus anyone who has sires that offer these valuable outcrosses, the breed needs you!

Email us at reinedecourse@earthlink.net

Our first response to the above arrived from "T.C." in Chicago shortly after we posted this request.  Their response (and a couple of our comments in italics) follows:

Mocha Express, from the GRAUSTARK line:

In response to your query on the website regarding largely unadvertised stallions from disappearing sire lines, I would like to submit two individuals.

The first of these is Mocha Express, one of my favorite racehorses of recent vintage:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/mocha+express

Though not free from Northern Dancer, he descends from a sire line we hardly see here any more- that of Ribot through Graustark and Key to the Mint. He was himself a terrific, versatile, sound racehorse. Upon his retirement, he first stood in Iowa, at a farm apparently owned by the family of his owner/trainer. Though presumably well cared for, he wasn’t well advertised, and saw a limited number of very modest mares there. He has since moved to a farm in Minnesota, where he will hopefully be promoted a bit more. At least he has his own website now, which does a nice job of showing him off:

http://www.mochaexpress.us/

This horse has fascinating influences throughout his pedigree, and I’d love to see him luck into a good match or two from what will surely be another small, modest group of mares.

 

Re Mocha Express:

It should be noted that Graustark is very probably not by *Ribot, but by Swaps.  It should also be noted that Java Gold has another son at stud in Texas, Grand Jewel.  Grand Jewel is tail-female to the Gambetta branch of Reine-de-Course *Rough Shod II, a great sire-producing family, and Mocha Express is tail-female to an Argentibe branch of Reine-de-Course Brulette, also the family of All Along.

 

Western Playboy/Cowboy King, from the PRINCE ROSE line:

The other stallion I’d like to mention is Western Playboy, another fine racehorse of even more obscure lines:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/western+playboy

Despite my general unfamiliarity with this one’s sire line all the way back to St. Simon, I can’t help but be struck by the racetrack success of virtually every member of it. You may remember Western Playboy himself as a successful racehorse who won the Jim Beam, Bluegrass and Pennsylvania Derby and finished second in the Florida Derby as a 3yo. This was all before I became interested in racing, so I didn’t get to witness it myself, but I do know him as the first millionaire from my home state of Illinois, and as a useful sire here for many years. Unfortunately he was just pensioned as of the first of the year- though in response to a recent inquiry I made, it was mentioned that he is still “licensed for 2007”. What this seems to mean is that he may still be available if someone really wants to breed to him- but that would obviously be the absolute last chance. He is no longer listed on his farm’s website, but an old link or two remains:

http://www.illinoisracingnews.com/westernplayboy.htm

Western Playboy does have one son listed as standing at stud, named Cowboy King:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/cowboy+king

He was not one of his sire’s more successful offspring, and I don’t know anything about him. However, if he’s the only one left holding the key to this line, I can’t help but consider him of value to the breed.

 

Re Western Playboy and his son, Cowboy King:

This is the Prince Bio branch of Prince Rose, and Western Playboy is tail-female to Reine-de-Course Khara.  This family also produced the fine stallions Habitat and Northfields.

Cowboy King, unraced, is tail-female to Mazurka.  This is also the family of Questionnaire, to which Holy Bull is inbred, Sallust, and Belmont Stakes winner Quadrangle.

 

 

Like you, I am concerned with the current level of inbreeding to but a very few fashionable sire lines. I won’t pretend to be as knowledgeable about pedigrees as the people who put together your website obviously are, but I can’t help but believe that in some ways one Cowboy King might be more valuable than a hundred sons of Storm Cat.

I hope this has been of some use.

Following are additional submissions we have received.  When available, we have included a link on the horse name.

Jakestir, tail-male to the SUN TEDDY branch of Teddy via Ogygian, a rich source of *Marguerite de Valois absent Raise a Native.  Out of the G3 stakes-winning Round Table mare Refinish and tail-female to Reine-de-Course *La Flambee (Family 17-B).  Simon's Stables, 1207 Heatherbourne Drive, Lagrange, KY 40031.  (502) 265-2070

Joe Who (BRZ), tail-male to St. Simon via the WILD RISK branch of Rabelais.  Tail-female to the Wenonah (6-H) branch of Family 6.  369 N. Billy Mitchell Road, Salt Lake City, UT 84116.  (435) 848-5555  email contact@bartonstables.com

The Great Prize, also tail-male to WILD RISK, is a half brother to Skywalker descending from the Mother Goose sub-branch of Fly By Night II (Family 2-D).  Dormello Stud, 14303 FM 455 W., Decatur, TX 76234.  (940) 466-7200

Demon Warlock, tail-male to St. Simon via the Chaucer branch (modern tail-male line of Belmont winner *GALLANT MAN).  Tail-female to the Teddy mare Bourbonette (Family 31).  Allaire Farms, 2900 N.E. Heron Pond Lane, Poulsbo, WA 98370.  (360) 779-9230

Baltimore Gray, tail-male to St. Simon via Round Table’s champion son Flirting Around-his champion son WOLF POWER (SAf) and stakes winner Northern Wolf.  Baltimore Gray is tail-female to Alice Hawthorne (Family 4-J).  Knight's Stallion Station, RR 4, Box 1930, Stillwell, OK 74960.  (918) 696-3686

Cobra King, tail-male to Phalaris via a line of champions and champion sires descending from Bold Ruler:  What a Pleasure-FOOLISH PLEASURE-Marfa-Farma Way.  He is tail-female to Reine-de-Course Pretty Polly via Sister Sarah (Family 14-B -the same branch as Nearctic) and his broodmare sire, Fabled Monarch is out of Round Table’s full sister Monarchy, whose family line has given us Pulpit, Minardi, Johannesburg and Tale of the Cat.  Esquirol Farm, Box 24, Ryley, Ab TOB 4A0 Canada.  (403) 336-1501

French Seventy Five is from the almost impossible-to-find tail-male line of TOURBILLON via *Ambiorix.  He is inbred to that line and is tail-female to Reine-de-Course Frizette via Ondulation.  (Family 13-C).  His fourth dam, Compton Lady, is a half sister to Charming Alibi, the dam of Dahlia.  Flying W-S Farms, RR 1, Box 76-A, Foster, OK 73434.  (580) 432-5569

Baron De Vaux, multiple G1 placed including a third in the 1990 Belmont Stakes, is another rare one.  He is tail-male to ISONOMY via Blandford/Brantome.  He is by Val De L’Orne and is tail-female to Isis (Family 13-A), a full sister to Ornis, the second dam of Reine-de-Course Frizette.  Dormello Stud, 14303 FM 455 W., Decatur, TX 76234.  (940) 466-7200

High Estate (IRE) is a rare Phalaris-line descendent of Never Bend’s best son, MILL REEF.  He is tail-female to the mare Dreaming (Family 9-B), a full sister to Reine-de-Course Idle Fancy.  Dormello Stud, 14303 FM 455 W., Decatur, TX 76234.  (940) 466-7200

Two Davids is tail-male to Matchem via Man O’ War’s War Relic branch.  He is inbred to War Relic x3, since his broodmare sire In Reality brings in two crosses.Two Davids is a stakes winner of $239,197 and he is also inbred to Reine-de-Course Ballantrae, to Fairway/Pharos, and is linebred to Fairy Gold. 

His sire is inbred to Tourbillon he overall carries multiple lines of Dominoa via Superman and Black Toney.  His dam is inbred to half sisters Seraphita and Shocking, to Plucky Liege and Garron Lass, and to half siblings Whisk Broom II and Matinee. Two Davids also carries half siblings Bayardo x3 and Lemberg x1. 

He is tail-female to the 1-B family via Vanossa by Loved One.  His fifth dam, Deva, is a half sister to Tetrill, fifth dam of Epsom Derby winner Troy and D. C. International winner *Admetus.  Also from this line is the great sire *Princequillo.

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